Reader Comments - 25 comments
producing worse benefits wrote at
5/8/2007 7:21:42 AM
I
guess anything less than the golden parachute of State
retirement is technically "producing worse benefits"
....
lease the state lottery and issue $16
billion in bonds to reduce the pension debt. wrote
at 5/8/2007 7:28:20 AM
In
1985, a law was enacted to deposit all Lottery profits
in the state’s Common School Fund (CSF), which helps
finance K-12 public schools throughout Illinois. Lottery
proceeds of $619 million in fiscal year 2005 represent
about 9 percent of the state’s contribution to schools.
If Blago LEASES the Lottery How is that going to Impact
School Funding? Just Curious ...
Simply Pathetic wrote at 5/8/2007
7:44:27 AM
"retirement
benefits offered to Illinois public employees are around
the national average" It currently takes 30 years of
state employment to earn 50% of your pre-retirement
salary. So if you are lucky to make $30,000 a year you
will see a benefit of $15,000 upon retirement. I would
like to know what the average Illinois private business
pays their retirees after 30 years of
service.
CC wrote at 5/8/2007 7:54:05
AM
We
were hired at lower wages than the public sector for
years with the promise of miniscule pensions when we
retire. Leave it alone, it is guaranteed by the State
Constitution.
and stop the spending.... wrote
at 5/8/2007 8:06:43 AM
I
cannot even imagine how they could continue to fund the
pensions if the State changed midstream to defined
contribution plans. And the costs of doing that would be
astronomical. Martire recommends raising taxes, as
others have. I don't like the concept of a GRT but as an
individual taxpayer, I would not be opposed to paying a
higher sales tax, or even a temporary increase in state
income taxes until the debt is paid down, but along with
that, I WANT TO HEAR THEM SAY THEY WILL REDUCE
SPENDING!!! Stop with the "free for all" giveaways,
Blago, Jones & Co.!
To lease the lottery wrote at
5/8/2007 8:08:18 AM
I
am not for leasing the lottery. But if you look closely
at the numbers you will find that in the last ten years
none of the lottery money has gone to schools. It's
something the schools have been complaining about for
awhile.
how they choose to spend our
money...tsk tsk wrote at 5/8/2007 8:16:23 AM
Shame
on Republican Senator Brady and the three other
Republican senators who would have the audacity to
ramrod a bill which would drastically jeopardize the
state pension funds, without having the benefit of a
study to see if this measure would be fiscally doable!
Most of this administration, as well as the members of
the current General Assembly, could benefit from a crash
course in Suze Orman Basic Finances 101! Running around
half-cocked isn't doing much for the image of the
Republican Party.
The National Average of What?
wrote at 5/8/2007 8:20:44 AM
This
study claims that the retirment benefits paid to
Illinois public employees "are around the national
average". The national average of what? Public employees
in other states? And does that comparison include the
cost of the health care benefit or the fact that the
State of Illinois employees can retire at the age of 55
or sooner? These seemingly inconsequential differences
add up to Illinois taxpayer dollars providing some
rather generous pension benefits to the retirees,
benefits that my employer nor myself will be ever be
able to match. These benefits are way too generous for
the taxpayers of Illinois to support. The benefits of
new employees must be ratcheted back. The retirement can
remain at 55 but with greatly reduced benefits. The
health insurance insurance benefit can remain at
retirement but at with a high participative premium.
Otherwise we will all be working to support public
pensions.

Davos wrote at 5/8/2007 8:59:09
AM
Of
course switching from a defined-contribution to a
defined-benefit will not effect the current pension
shortfall. It is supposed to help reduce future costs,
but why do something that might be beneficial in the
future. They actually think that it is cheaper to have a
defined-benefit program instead of the
defined-contribution? Are did they just look at
management fees and called it a day? There is probably a
reason that governments and maybe the U.S. auto industry
are the only ones that still have defined-benefit. But
leave it up to the government to say lets keep the old
broken system so we can save chump change on the
fees.
anonymous wrote at 5/8/2007
9:22:20 AM
"Golden
Parachute"?? Hardly. As the article states "retirement
benefits offered to Illinois public employees are around
the national average." Also, as many state workers will
tell you, there is a trade off for working at the state.
Work in the private sector and get more pay and a little
less benefits, or work in the public sector for less pay
and a little more benefits.
John Terwilliger wrote at
5/8/2007 9:25:21 AM
As
a retiree under the State Universities Retirement System
(SURS) - and a taxpayer - I am in favor of the reforming
Illinois retirement plans. The model I propose is the
University Of California Retirement Plan (UCRP) which is
similar to SURS. One big difference. From 1992 till
today, UCRP has paid ALL pension benefits – about $9
billion - from investment earnings. Not one dollar of
taxpayer money or employee contributions has been
needed! How’d they do this? Simple. Prior to 1992,
employees and the state ALWAYS paid their required
amount into the system and investment earnings did the
rest. The pension reform needed in Illinois is pay off
the debt to the systems and then make full required
payments each year. California taxpayers saved over $9
billion and Illinois has run up a $40 billion taxpayer
bill. Illinois has a DEPT problem, not a pension
problem!
Disgusted University Employee
wrote at 5/8/2007 9:31:32 AM
Had
the State adequately funded the pension program we
wouldn't be in this position now. Changing to a 401k
style plan isn't going to do anything to fix the
problem. We will have another program with just as many
problems, if not more!
read wrote at 5/8/2007 9:39:15
AM
Davos,
read the report. If we switch pension systems the bill
will be larger and you will pay even more in taxes than
is proposed now. It's a lengthy report with solid data.
They looked at the whole picture. The cost for an
employer to pay Social Security and some form of a 401 K
match is a higher cost than the employer cost in the
state pension systems. The reason corporations are
dumpiung them is because they skipped payments and ran
up debt just like the state did. The DC system costs
more and provides a minimal benefit. Also remember,
teachers do not receive Social Security. They pay 9
percent, 9 percent of their salary for their pension.
Thats the highest rate in the nation.
Alaska teacher wrote at 5/8/2007
9:39:40 AM
Based
on faulty audit information about Alaska's retirement
system for state and municipal employees and educators,
our legislature changes from a defined benefit pension
system to a 401K system for new employees starting last
July. This has left a huge deficit of payments for the
former system owed by the state, municipal governments
and school districts. Already there is talk of losing
newly hired people who can take their 401K's and find
employment elsewere after a five or eight year vesting
period. Hiring new police, state troopers and teachers
has become more challenging because the new retirement
program is so unattractive.
taxactivist wrote at 5/8/2007
9:44:22 AM
Follow
the money. Martire's group is bought and paid for by
government employee unions. This same group says there
are no budget cuts that could be made in Illinois. When
school administrators are retiring with $300,000/yr
pensions and sucking out more than $6 million in 15
years, pension reform should be on the table before any
tax increase. Republicans aren't ramrodding anything in
Springfield. Blame the Dems for ramrodding pensions
sweeteners through if you wanna go that
route.
Thanks to the crooks... wrote at
5/8/2007 9:51:19 AM
to
john Terwilliger. Illinois pension funds have a DEBT
problem because the crooked politicians continue to
STEAL from them! And Illinois pension funds would also
be self-sustaining from contributions and investment
earnings, such as you describe, but we have had to
contend with the crooked friends of the crooked
politicians making million dollar commissions from shady
investments into controversial and risky HEDGE FUNDS! We
state employees did not break this system. The crooks
did!

NO NEW SPENDING wrote at 5/8/2007
9:53:04 AM
Raise
taxes to pay off debt, not for new spending. We owe
billions to pensions, health care providors,and vendors.
Do not allow any new spending until all debts are
paid.
To: The national Average of what
wrote at 5/8/2007 10:02:11 AM
You
should find out all the facts before you make blanket
statements. Some can retire at age 55 with 20 years.
Some can go at age 50! if they have at least 25 years of
service, that is not a full pension that takes 32 years
and that is not full, just maximum benefit. The benefits
are figured on a percent for each year of service. I
also know that the life expectancy for worker in the
prison systems are greatly reduced from stress. Maybe
the state law makers should stop steeling the pension
funds and pay their bills before they make new ones.
Underfunding not the paying out of benefits has caused
the problem! Maybe we should look at the politicians
retirement benefits could it be they are to generous? My
pension payment is taken out of every paycheck without
fail. Is that you G. Rod?
To National Average wrote at
5/8/2007 10:08:52 AM
Uh..many
of the employees who retire at age 55 aren't just
getting a free-for-all you know. Many of them have to
BUY years of service.
Davos wrote at 5/8/2007 10:12:16
AM
To
Anonymous 9:22 - State employees have much better
benefits than the private sector, plus you have the
benefit of working in an unaccountable environment while
AFSCME protects you.
Skip cosgrove wrote at 5/8/2007
10:18:47 AM
I
wonder if we will find the answer to the debt problem at
the bottom of the hole if we keep our heads in the sand
long enough.
Promise Broken wrote at 5/8/2007
10:26:59 AM
The
problem is not the retirement system it is the failure
of the state to own up to its contractual obligations.
The failure of the state to fund the system means the
system is selling assets daily to pay its bills and the
problem is getting worse. The state has to live within
its means and stop robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Poor Big Business ahhhhhh wrote
at 5/8/2007 10:27:18 AM
Finally
some common sense on this issue. The message is clear,
switch to DC and investment managers get rich at the
expense of taxpayers with lower benefits for public
employees. As far as national average keep in mind
Illinois is in competition with other states for
teachers and lower benefits will impact the recruitment
of these teachers. Finally some logic.
SURS Retiree wrote at 5/8/2007
10:43:39 AM
I
am a community college retiree in the State Universities
Retirement system. Here are a few facts. 69% of SURS
retirees receive a monthly annuity of $2600 or less, or
$31,200 a year -- some "golden parachute." Community
college retirees are not permitted to contribute to
social security, so the SURS pension is "it" unless one
worked a second job and, even then, SS benefits will be
reduced due to the Windfall Elimination Provision -- up
to 40%. Community college retirees did not have a state
health plan until around 1997 and it's already set to go
broke. The premiums are fairly expensive, but enormously
costly if one has any dependents. The recent two year
"pension holiday" applied only to state employees,
teachers, and SURS pension systems. The legislators' and
judges' pension systems received full funding. The
Chicago Public Schools pension systmem received
millions. What do those that tell you?
retire at 55? wrote at 5/8/2007
10:54:38 AM
State
retirement in IL is based on the "Rule of 85" so when
your age plus years of service equal 85, you can retire.
Theoretically, someone who started at 20 and is now 55
has 30 years of service, and can retire. But that is the
exception in the state. Many of us have professional
jobs that required college, so we started later. And
yes, there are ofen incentive programs for early
retirement to push out the high earners, but these are
rarely a good deal for the worker.